Subject: silly L/C clauses
dinahsun (Dinah)
CEO
Rank: 6Rank: 6


UID 314165
Digest Posts 0
Credits 31357
Posts 3058
Reading Access 120
Registered 2007-10-9
Products  garments,apparel
Markets  US/CA/EU/ME
Location Zhuhai
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-24 16:42  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy  Add dinahsun to MSN friend  Talk with dinahsun through MSN Yahoo!
silly L/C clauses

one US buyer is going to open an L/C to us, but i found there were some silly L/C clauses, pls see the following clauses included in their L/C terms:FOB Business Forum$o;x*Y*Y:f"N;Z.N3j,t.x

+H;g!t.~3f9B3^'\!A)i-\ k'dFOB Business Forum
$r5b+L:G Obusiness forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil business>All banking charges including LC opening fee, amendments and discrepancies in the negotiating documents to be charges to the beneficiary??s account. --->this is not reasonable, LC opening fee should be charged to the applicant, and the other charges  should be charged as per  the reason which caused the changes.  www.fobshanghai.com*|/p1Y5n*k

:o*J3s$H%z$B*EFOB Business Forum>We would allow only one amendment per LC, for each additional amendment, there will be a handling chares of USD150.00 In addition to the banks charges and the penalty will be deducted from the proceeds. --->even we ensure we can finish the shipping without any amendment of L/C, it is not acceptable for beneficiary to accept this clause.
:v7S9n-M1M;M+|4eFOB Business Forum
'N&^'}3w9H4U;{"T9xbusiness forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil business>3 pcs in each color in required size as per PO should be sent to IN7 Clothing, Inc. office within one week of opening of LC on the vendors cost. A letter of confirmation duly signed by Ms. Vazirani of George and Martha confirming the same should accompany the Negotiable documents. --->it is not acceptable, nobody can assure we can get this letter even we arrange the samples exactly, this letter cannot be considered as a part of negotiable documents at all.business forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil business.k,F5G'U"Z5l3Y*r$?
FOB Business Forum,f5r5y3@;~/v9T$l
>A copy of inspection certificate duly signed by Mr. Babita Vazirani along with her passport copy should be integral part of Negotiable Documents. ---->it is not acceptable,  this signed inspection certificate and passport copy cannot be regarded as integral part of negotiable documents.
'}4S/W+i7@3Mbusiness forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil business
p$D/z/@/B,}._[A Professional Business Forum]i came back to the buyer with the words highlighted in red, and rasied our problems and worries, then i got his reply today as below:FOB Business Forum3^7c'L3k'`%W7m-Y%f
FOB Business Forum0P1H7J"}.O(Q m"R
Dinah once again ¡§C FOB Business Forum4D;l&d$v0I3b4Y!x(x4Y4D
pls be reminded that we are not there to hurt hyou ¡§C but we are trying to protect ourselves.
-b,m-M0W'b/H*r$Y[A Professional Business Forum]And we buy over 8.0 million units a year.We are not new in the business.
/X j1~ n/A&H!A5V[A Professional Business Forum]If it does not work ¡§C we don??t mind walking away from the deal ¡§C but we don't change the terms for anyone.
$r)\.w5B'f$}"N6M[A Professional Business Forum]pls trust us so we can trust you¡§C we want to also buy sweaters from you and we don??t want to hurt our relationship with anyone.
FOB Business Forum(o-?7I ]/^

:X*O:D1l#S+J;I,e1d!t/WFOB Business Forumnow, i think even we can accept the 1st and 2nd clauses above,the 3rd and 4th clauses are really unacceptable
$W+Y7j#d%Y:O.[FOB Business Forumthese clauses never appeared in the L/Cs we finished before,also this buyer is complete new for us
3V)O5]4q;M&P'T1_6Tbusiness forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil businessi learned that some companies failed on L/Cs with these clauses and lost lots of money in business n.\ I&d3B)o4~
but it seems that this buyer is quite firm on their terms,and from their company info, their company is very big and strongFOB Business Forum6^'t.E6w!W0r#~
moreover, we have invested lots of money in this deal, what to do?  
2S'F(R)j5d5C.H-r[A Professional Business Forum]did you meet this kind of L/C clauses before? pls give me some advises....





Nothing is impossible and every dream deserves a try.
Cheer Up, Dinah!
Top
lily_trade
Adminstrator
Rank: 7Rank: 7Rank: 7


UID 213194
Digest Posts 1
Credits 43375
Posts 3498
Reading Access 150
Registered 2007-9-5
Products  furniture
Markets  world
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-24 22:08  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy 
Seldom doing by LC.FOB Business Forum5F:?!u)F']"m2a

6N)\)w(v*p;EFOB Business ForumNow i am doing LC  with a customer from France,he is always kind to us,when i talk with them the clause is not easy to do,they will accept our reasons cuz they want buy from us.[A Professional Business Forum]%X6I2\)E:^6}!f6B)C&{;B
www.fobshanghai.com1C7|$O$P&d9k
If you cannt accept or you cann't sure to prepare all the documents well on time,talk with your customer,if they want buy from you,they will stand on your side.

Top
Lisa_Dai0713
Worker
Rank: 3Rank: 3



UID 821389
Digest Posts 0
Credits 2013
Posts 149
Reading Access 40
Registered 2008-3-10
Products  computer cables,USB cable,IEEE1394 cable,DVI cable
Markets 
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-27 16:23  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy  Add Lisa_Dai0713 to MSN friend  Talk with Lisa_Dai0713 through MSN
Dinah,nice to see your post again, your experience is so good.

Top
dinahsun (Dinah)
CEO
Rank: 6Rank: 6


UID 314165
Digest Posts 0
Credits 31357
Posts 3058
Reading Access 120
Registered 2007-10-9
Products  garments,apparel
Markets  US/CA/EU/ME
Location Zhuhai
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-28 11:30  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy  Add dinahsun to MSN friend  Talk with dinahsun through MSN Yahoo!
Reply #2 lily_trade's post

thanks lilybusiness forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil business.m$h(f(s2G;E1U
you are right, if the buyer really want to buy from us, thay will consider at our positionFOB Business Forum+{7p!m7_8f0]
unfortunately, my buyer is quite firm on their conditions and said they wouldn't changed the terms for anyone
*T6_!d!f,x$ywww.fobshanghai.comi think they are not sincere at all...





Nothing is impossible and every dream deserves a try.
Cheer Up, Dinah!
Top
dinahsun (Dinah)
CEO
Rank: 6Rank: 6


UID 314165
Digest Posts 0
Credits 31357
Posts 3058
Reading Access 120
Registered 2007-10-9
Products  garments,apparel
Markets  US/CA/EU/ME
Location Zhuhai
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-28 11:30  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy  Add dinahsun to MSN friend  Talk with dinahsun through MSN Yahoo!
Reply #3 Lisa_Dai0713's post

how are you lisa?





Nothing is impossible and every dream deserves a try.
Cheer Up, Dinah!
Top
dinahsun (Dinah)
CEO
Rank: 6Rank: 6


UID 314165
Digest Posts 0
Credits 31357
Posts 3058
Reading Access 120
Registered 2007-10-9
Products  garments,apparel
Markets  US/CA/EU/ME
Location Zhuhai
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-28 11:40  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy  Add dinahsun to MSN friend  Talk with dinahsun through MSN Yahoo!
unsolved troubles

below is the response from the buyer, i found their explanations are as silly as their consitions, we perceived that it is riskful to do this deal with them, since they don't want to pay any cents for the business...[A Professional Business Forum])O!j,z(K#O"o
business forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil business*y3`$t3m&L8p8X
Dinah,FOB Business Forum#v*V(o2\*~&s7G

1M,D5W2e9e1`4UFOB Business ForumI have reviewed your queries and here are my replies to it, there is nothing major and I am sure if you go thru our replies you can easily adhere to it.
+e5e7@#n$D3e4E Ibusiness forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil business#X0c'F6i8\/K4H
a. Lc opening charges ---Please note these charges are static by the bank and it cost only 1% of to the total lc value or $150 maximum 100+50 for transmission cost.[A Professional Business Forum]8C$V,h'Q$_8q+T5W.W1N

$\:C/i/n1m-g[A Professional Business Forum]b. Re lc amendment ¡§CThe 1st amendment is free ¡§Cnot chargeable, if more then the factory has to pay for the amendment which is very fair, amendments are normally done due to some delays etc which if because of the vendor he needs to take responsibility of the same.  FOB Business Forum6[(G(p/w-Z

)b#o7h0|6{4o+y4s8`[A Professional Business Forum]c. Re the sample letter- we can assure you as soon as we receive samples within 24 hours the letter will be with you, it is all programmed at times even less then 24 hours. business forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil business#r*M8U1V!h5T-h9V(v
.\1X2|5Q+?
D, Inspection certificate --- here too once we receive the complete set of copy documents you will receive the inspection certificate within orless then 24 hours
.c7Z(}#K7Q*m[A Professional Business Forum]FOB Business Forum;N.o9u4h9A
Please note we are doing these clauses with all our merchandise getting imported to USA from various countries and we have given the vendors the letters as per our assurances. there has been no delay but you need to ensure that all documents we received are correct and in par to our requirements. These are checkpoints for us, which we cannot give up.  [A Professional Business Forum]9{7Y;U,x*^ k(P
FOB Business Forum8i'E1l-L,A!h9?
In addition I also saw your query on partial shipments :www.fobshanghai.com!W)r({1q;g'A
FOB Business Forum7d5j's+V!C:F8v5a
Please understand we will accept partial shipment only requirement is you need to inform us in regard to the same and obtain our approval for it by mail. As we prefer to get our the goods by in color and size ratios so the partial qnty can be useful.
X8o:B%f5t#K)A d$Wbusiness forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil business
,X-`5B%W/`-b;Y,V0Ebusiness forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil businessCertificate of weights and measure ¡§CYes YOUR company can issue it ¡§Cbasically it has the gross weight and net weight no of cartons/dimensions etc. If you need, I can send you a format of the same. www.fobshanghai.com!i"B'Q2u"E1l

6Z,\(J6N(v P
6p-i9n(]2Gwww.fobshanghai.com Please reply if it satisfies you. www.fobshanghai.com#Z7m(H-y D7D3p)I,K;|0V"E

5r2F.|2p6W7v[A Professional Business Forum]
)u,@0h*@3o'bFOB Business Forum
:x1b+V+G:}2L1})Zwww.fobshanghai.comRegards





Nothing is impossible and every dream deserves a try.
Cheer Up, Dinah!
Top
jackylau
Businessman
Rank: 5Rank: 5


UID 82187
Digest Posts 0
Credits 25554
Posts 2180
Reading Access 80
Registered 2006-4-9
Products  Me o。
Markets  Blue Sky
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-28 13:16  Profile  Space  Site P.M.  Buddy  Add jackylau to MSN friend  Talk with jackylau through MSN QQ Yahoo!
I have no experience about L/C , but I think above four clauses are unfair terms .





Say no to impossible, till good is better and better is best !
Top
chenjane
Worker
Rank: 3Rank: 3



UID 446377
Digest Posts 0
Credits 1177
Posts 90
Reading Access 40
Registered 2008-5-27
Products  all building material
Markets 
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-29 09:09  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy  Add chenjane to MSN friend  Talk with chenjane through MSN QQ
I had processed L/C before , but this Pakistan customer is very kind , their clauses on L/C  were easy to do, even we had gotten all money but the customer was still not getting their goods





Tomorrow is another day!!
Top
lcs822
Farmer
Rank: 2



UID 5715
Digest Posts 0
Credits 662
Posts 12
Reading Access 25
Registered 2004-6-25
Products 
Markets 
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-29 13:51  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy 
New customer,crazy L/C! I suggest you should be careful.Don't give any chance to the cheat.As a exporter,it's very important to recover the money,rather than the orders only.I think you have two choice:1:Try your best to persuade the customer to amend the L/C clause;if they didn't accept and give you unacceptable pretext.The best way is give up the order.'C7E:}9T4Y;a8v
2:You should buy ECI(Export Credit Insurance) to avoid risk.

Top
lcs822
Farmer
Rank: 2



UID 5715
Digest Posts 0
Credits 662
Posts 12
Reading Access 25
Registered 2004-6-25
Products 
Markets 
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-29 13:53  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy 
Difficult to get ready all the documents.What does your customer want do?

Top
sunnysunshine12
Farmer
Rank: 2



UID 827587
Digest Posts 0
Credits 347
Posts 17
Reading Access 25
Registered 2008-5-29
Products  Dental X-ray unit, ECG
Markets 
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-29 15:12  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy  Add sunnysunshine12 to MSN friend  Talk with sunnysunshine12 through MSN
I'm a newbie here, so I don't knew how to deal with it. But I gree with lily. If your buyer really want to do business with you. He will consider at your position. I want to ask a stupid question why we can't accept the said clause. Thank you.

Top
minzhilong
Farmer
Rank: 2



UID 820616
Digest Posts 0
Credits 868
Posts 24
Reading Access 25
Registered 2008-2-26
Products  roll
Markets 
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-29 16:20  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy 
dinah,it's unfair and riskful to do this business with a new customer.
!{1y5Y8Z!{9w+G&Cwww.fobshanghai.com1. if you can't get the letter of confimation and the inspection certificate on time that mean you can't ensure prepare all the negotiate documentsFOB Business Forum+a5J4g3a j;}&H8y
2.according to the international practise the buyer should pay the open feebusiness forum,trade forum,business opportunity,Business China,Business India,Brazil business/I4r1~"w4l4A$q*v:I
in a word you should be careful and make sure you can get the money can you accept this L/C

Top
dinahsun (Dinah)
CEO
Rank: 6Rank: 6


UID 314165
Digest Posts 0
Credits 31357
Posts 3058
Reading Access 120
Registered 2007-10-9
Products  garments,apparel
Markets  US/CA/EU/ME
Location Zhuhai
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-30 12:13  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy  Add dinahsun to MSN friend  Talk with dinahsun through MSN Yahoo!


QUOTE:
Originally posted by chenjane at 2008-5-29 09:09
,z)@/L(H&^)M,x#}6v*d"gwww.fobshanghai.comI had processed L/C before , but this Pakistan customer is very kind , their clauses on L/C  were easy to do, even we had gotten all money but the customer was still not getting their goods

:n'v5_(T0O
[A Professional Business Forum]4L1I8v9B&p;^9A
it is very lucky to handle L/C terms with such a kind buyer...





Nothing is impossible and every dream deserves a try.
Cheer Up, Dinah!
Top
dinahsun (Dinah)
CEO
Rank: 6Rank: 6


UID 314165
Digest Posts 0
Credits 31357
Posts 3058
Reading Access 120
Registered 2007-10-9
Products  garments,apparel
Markets  US/CA/EU/ME
Location Zhuhai
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-30 12:17  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy  Add dinahsun to MSN friend  Talk with dinahsun through MSN Yahoo!


QUOTE:
Originally posted by lcs822 at 2008-5-29 13:51
8d"x t4n%},[9?1_%vNew customer,crazy L/C! I suggest you should be careful.Don't give any chance to the cheat.As a exporter,it's very important to recover the money,rather than the orders only.I think you have two choice:1:Try your best to persuade the customer to amend the L/C clause;if they didn't accept and give you unacceptable pretext.The best way is give up the order.
9{'h0V+}7G.{2:You should buy ECI(Export Credit Insurance) to avoid risk.

[A Professional Business Forum]6\8~,\2O2Y)d

-z2x&n6_:x2c"D#K/W7rFOB Business Forumyep, you are right... FOB Business Forum$m2e2C;q%a$l,i
have you tried ECI before? i knew little about it, i think this service is proper for big enterprises...
"Q;~&k-g#}0m-ewww.fobshanghai.comi am negotiating with the buyer now, hopefully, the buyer will ammend those clauses soon....





Nothing is impossible and every dream deserves a try.
Cheer Up, Dinah!
Top
dinahsun (Dinah)
CEO
Rank: 6Rank: 6


UID 314165
Digest Posts 0
Credits 31357
Posts 3058
Reading Access 120
Registered 2007-10-9
Products  garments,apparel
Markets  US/CA/EU/ME
Location Zhuhai
Status Offline
Post at 2008-5-30 12:22  Profile  Space  P.M.  Buddy  Add dinahsun to MSN friend  Talk with dinahsun through MSN Yahoo!


QUOTE:
Originally posted by lcs822 at 2008-5-29 13:53 FOB Business Forum$}.Y4L9B)\5`;B+X8_"x6t
Difficult to get ready all the documents.What does your customer want do?

'O#P8J(I;C3x7\(s&~:V)OFOB Business ForumFOB Business Forum5\0\0D:T3y5m*Y:p#M6N!\
yep
-A*q3[)F/g-E%u*}0nwww.fobshanghai.comshe said she just want to use those connditions to protect themselves....FOB Business Forum){8l/Z#X2I-a1h }
i have lost a few days on this problem
(V;Q/[,X9N[A Professional Business Forum]anyway, we won't accept the L/C if they don't remove or revise those clauses...





Nothing is impossible and every dream deserves a try.
Cheer Up, Dinah!
Top
 



All times are GMT+8, the time now is 2008-12-5 14:35
Locations of visitors to this page
ICP05002584

Powered by D1scuz! 5.5.0  © 2001-2010 FOBShanghai.com
Processed in 0.035828 second(s), 5 queries , Gzip enabled

Clear Cookies - Contact Us - FOBShanghai.com - Archiver