!!! fraud alert !!!! please help me beat a scammer

[color=Blue][align=center][align=left][/align][/align][/color]:@ may i ask you all a little favor ! youchen trading company : [url]www.ycshoes.com[/url] e-mail [email]ptycshoes@hotmail.com[/email] simeng chen & [email]shoeszone@hotmail.com[/email] zhinin lin,.D.lo5R JTEb6A^
i paid this company via western union for goods, as soon as they got the money they e-mailed me to say sorry i have no goods & no company please do not contact me again, they scammed me of $400 this com. :') they still are trying to scam people as i have been in contact with a different user name.trying to sell me goods and saying how honest they are;P may i ask if you can all who read this spare a few seconds ! please send them loads of rubish via there e-mail addys keep them busy ! i no it annoys them as i kept resending the same message to them over and over again . these people make it hard for the honest trader to  gain our trust ?
0^vWy![,U#S8V"d if you need any info my e-mail  [email]x_ian_x@msn.com[/email]    .......ian......
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:o I never meet this thing before and hope won't tomorrow.~~:L

Well, it is a very pity that such bad thing happens. Can you find any way to get money back?
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[email]shoeszone@hotmail.com[/email]N{1^#TNp,H
good e-mail address;P

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sportsmann[/i] at 2007-1-6 01:52
]z7L%b4Bf;e :@ may i ask you all a little favor ! youchen trading company : [url]www.ycshoes.com[/url] e-mail [email]ptycshoes@hotmail.com[/email] simeng chen & [email]shoeszone@hotmail.com[/email] zhinin lin,
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5g3to&ZX)VN$R-i can you please tell us more about your transaction with the companyY3Kj!n)Q WA/{ktL
If it did happen, you have the right to get your $400 back, I am sure you can do it.I|z6J+D3E{ H3t
we can help you with it ,because I do hate those companies who perform fraud case, which would badly damage foreign friends' impression on
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First of all, you must have enough evidence!S wi+h?
it is not a good way to let their email server collasps,in that way, you can not get your money, and it would give little
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Is it true happened, or are you just joking?
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3vIB,octS#k0a8G(p Do you have any document that can certify your business,as P/I,t/t copy and etc.
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By the way,your mail adress I have not seen before,is that a true adress?
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!!! fraud alert !!!! please help me beat a scammer

my friends this is not a joke this company took my money then told me they dont have a company! i have spent lots of my time trying to warn others so they do not get caught out,they advertise on loads of sites like ecplaza on others, all have different non working telephone numbers,
$P4w'eM6]hm!Z my name is ian my e-mail address is  [email]x_ian_x@msn.com[/email] as for getting my money back i have no chance. easy money making for this company. i wanted people to clog their e-mail address up mearly to keep them from scamming anyone else, i would not be putting all this time into this if they had supplier me with the goods i paid them for./{)U?!F-wZE$J
when companys do this type of thing it makes it very hard for the honest trader to sell on line. this has effected me greatly & wasted loads of my time trying to locate a trader i can trust?2L1P2k?/^BSo ~g
thanks for reading this post any advice would be great.....ian

Hi,Ian, are you from UK?
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I visited their website, it seems professional,of course I also get their phone number from their website.
:Ok wAO,CzE7v the company is in Fujian province,I will try to ask my friends who work at that area to check whether the company actually exist.,t8`8eB/Z7H
There are more than 110 thousand members in this forum,and most of us are doing foreign trade business, so you do find the right forum!
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Io,Ex,N Once it is proved to be true.I am going to tell more members about the fraud case and the company,meanwhile I am going to consult our Chinese foreign trade administration, to find if there is possibility to punish the company and return your money.
L3nJ`p`"J`k+E As a Chinese foreign trade businessman, I feel ashamed of it, and I will do what I can do to stop further fraud cases.

!!!! fraud alert !!!!! www.ycshoes.com !!!! fraud alert !!!!

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hope you can imagine how i felt this was only the sceond time i tried to buy from china. if you look on other sites you will see the different telephone numbers on them all. please try and ring a couple, none working. simeng chen seemed very nice when he was dealing with me untill he contacted me to say he had no company. i had another deal going through with another company as well so i thought i was going to lose out there as well. but the other company did send my order which was great. but to lose out like this is not easy to take as it was a new buissiness start up for me,personally i trusted this [url]www.ycshoes.com[/url] and should of done a bit more research first, but this has been a lesson learnt by me,i do hope my postings save any one else from getting scammed. thank you for the postings / advice / help . ian
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honest trading

my dear friend ian,i had confront the similar things as you before.but i am a seller.for one of my customers ask me to product samples which he chose on  canton fair.then when the samples was finished,i try to ask them to paied the sample fee,for i can delivery the samples by DHL.but when several times i have connected with them by email and TEL,i failed to obtain the cost however the proforma invoice was sent to them.and i guess for the samples they order is just out of season,but if they don`t want the samples,they didn`t ask me to arrange the production.so the honest trading is very important,not only on import business but also on export business.JaiD
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hope everything will goes well in the new year.
|;i[ EK by the way,i found you are interesting in import shoes,and i just do business in kids wear line,if there is anything i can help you,please don`t hesitate to let me know.
Wjw$]QggJ i will add your MSN Nr.later.

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sportsmann[/i] at 2007-1-8 04:40
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;Ob1XGv1CZ-i"zh I fully understand how you felt when  met such a dishonest supplier.wb;R2`(pL&Y
They are trading company, most of the trading companies do not have a factory, but they may have a partener factory.#SqU&y:ui&Q7J
One of my customers once told me his experience of distinguishing an actual manufacturer and a swindler:a&kt)T5cH4h
Firstly you ask the supplier whether they have a factory and whether they have digital camera on hand, if they say yes, you can ask
/Xw#uxn%Zc Za them to take some pictures of their office, work shop and the outer apperance of their factory (esp the building with the name of the factory ) ,a3D5o*B:p
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Maybe my customer was just making a joke, but for internet business, some surveys prior to the order is very necessary. fL2V x5gu|N dQ
In serveral forum I see some messages posted by you for the fraud alert, thank you, kind-hearted Ian4m&v6Qis'd]
Our company is an UK-sino enterprise (taps), so most of our customers are from UK, many of whom are from York shire, ^9bU'ADc E[0[F
in May I will have a business trip to London. I do not know the location of Grimsby, is it far from London?

Reply #10 wty1314's post

please e-mail me first i have had loads of replies from a post i did for k swiss and its very hard to tell some of the msn addresses [email]x_ian_x@msn.com[/email] ]&q9AJ h$K%K
ian

Reply #11 lpgliqinger's post

london is about 200 miles from grimsby most people now grimsby as it used to be a very big fishing port a few years ago ? my contact e-mail  [email]x_ian_x@msn.com[/email] many thanks ian.....

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sportsmann[/i] at 2007-1-10 04:35
5L.L/F9X6tb#zuw london is about 200 miles from grimsby most people now grimsby as it used to be a very big fishing port a few years ago ? my contact e-mail  [email]x_ian_x@msn.com[/email] many thanks ian..... [/quote]5o)P~?:}PsV

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[quote]Originally posted by [i]wty1314[/i] at 2007-1-8 08:51,C0IIKl"iE
my dear friend ian,i had confront the similar things as you before.but i am a seller.for one of my customers ask me to product samples which he chose on  canton fair.then when the samples was fin ... [/quote]
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]sportsmann[/i] at 2007-1-10 04:31 K~
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please e-mail me first i have had loads of replies from a post i did for k swiss and its very hard to tell some of the msn addresses [email]x_ian_x@msn.com[/email]
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I*htfw:SV my dear friend,one email will be send by business email:jacky@yebao.com latter. please note it.and best wishes for the new year.:handshake

Yes, though we are trading company,when it cost us much to send a client a sample,but now  we can't contact with them.

ian,anything we can do for you? After all, that guy is few in China.

It is pity to heard  that!  wish god blessing you !

[url]http://www.ycshoes.com/[/url] -------The page cannot be found.wow!!

Reply #1 sportsmann's post

Hi,
2Lc*nc n0Iv"\ This is Sam from USA. I am so sorry for you it happend. Dear i have a some problem they cheated me too i did not get back my money. I serached a littil bit on the internet about which company cheat you and i found this web site may it help you. Good luck.%Vy)_#r8Q%h
[url]http://manysuppliers.com/demo_1.aspx?List_Type=Directory&Id=6039[/url]
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[url]http://www.myshoes789.com/[/url]  and[url]http://www.myshoes123.com/[/url] these are the same company. Please be careful for that company.
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They are still trying to scam me and trying to contact with me a different user name and web site and they are telling me honest company.z{Q~nz

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Reply #1 sportsmann's post

you are a foreigner or chinese?

verify suppliers

I can help you verify suppliers before you send moeny to them .

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we should look at it with dilated eyes.

Reply #21 iso2007's post

Hi Sam4y3vo2pw Q,^_-b

l6`L2r O9h7U only managed to open this site [url]http://www.myshoes789.com/index.asp[/url] but I dont see any
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around to do a check on them before you place any order.Q$q ]~O#sX

Ft]VV'[2S)SN Here in FOB, there are many user located in every corner of China and they can assist you.:@f(x{
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Reply #25 royalstar8383's post

Why you are not see, there have e-mails: [email]myshoes789@hotmail.com[/email] / [email]myshoes456@yahoo.com.cn[/email] / [email]myshoes123@gmail.com[/email]

Listen Sam and Ian..:o . That you have put on that on money is very sad, therefore it is necessary to have the representative of your interests here! (in China)
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Reply #26 kiksi_chen's post

:')  all those are free account...... cannot trust it la.

no fraud

what happen ? i do business with myshoes789 about 2 years. they are very nice quality and stuffs . i like them very much!

they are nice

i am a wholesale resell  in  MO . i have my own store here .:G1}h5P$H:b#?I8| `

4j}DU Z U what happen sam ? as i know .myshoes789 is a very nice worker.and they do their best and do cod for me since i am their gold customer. i am honest and big business man here !